As stated in Art. The registered letter must be sent without an envelope. Ive emailed them about how to make these changes stop and for me to pay the tickets and havent heard back. Unbelievable ! They also charge you a ticket processing fee. As we all know, politicians prefer to tax people who cant vote them out. It is a system to facilitate the cross-border exchange of information between each Member State. Most debtors do. According to apolice report, there were657.804speeding tickets in 2019. A few months after returning to the U.S., the notice (and fee) from the rental car company arrived. The good news is that the third party, European Municipality Outsourcing, is relatively easy to navigate. Morally you agreed to their rules and choose to drive in their country, if you broke the rules you should pay the fine. The statute of limitations on traffic fines in Italy is 5 years from the day the violation was notified. If you dont pay the collection agency, they wont likely be able to have that debt enforced in a US court of law, but I dont know if they will try to report you to a credit agency regardless. It is true that there are times when Italian bureaucracy is frustrating, but so is the American one. If a traffic officer gives you a traffic ticket, and you sign it, the statute of limitation is no longer effective. It also said this: The service is not able to automatically determine the amount to be paid as the notification date of the fine has not yet been recorded. The website is supposed to tell you what you currently owe, but they dont know weve received the letter, and were just gonna pay the lower rate. Thanks. How did you all take care of the tickets? They can either pay the fine, ask the court to reduce it, or fight it . ZTL passage indicated with the electronic sign Varco Non Attivo, Signal placed more than 4 km away from the speeding machine, Presence of other cars in the picture (when it is not clear to identify the real offender), Fine issued by a parking attendant outside his role (e.g: an officer that stop you for speeding), Your basic demographics (name, surname, and residence), Original handwritten signature from the person who received the fine, Ticket details including the date of infraction and notification, Request for cancelation of the ticket (if you dont specify your request, the Prefect will reject the appeal), Petition to be heard by the Prefect if needed, Any proof or document to sustain your reasons, Four photocopies of the appeal and one original, Four photocopies of the ticket and the original, Copies of the documents you need to attach, Possible request for the temporary suspension of the fine (recommended). As American wine professionals have begun to travel to Italy again, it was inevitable that they would inadvertently commit a traffic infraction or two. :(. Your point is well made. I'd like to clarify that I did not intend to suggest that the enforcement of ZTLs is a scam directed at tourists. during the three (3) days we had the Hertz rental car. Waited for all of 2019 and nothing was received. You can always appeal by writing to the fining authority in Italian - haha - if your appeal is rejected, which it would be, the fine automatically doubles. Or are you reading 03-11 as March 11, when Europeans put day first and then month- November 3. Next, enter the listed information of the ticket in each blank field. I should not be penalized for the offense that I didnt do. Are they taking advantage of drivers (Italians and foreigners alike) to improve their city budgets or make a quick buck for the rental company? The authorities must notify the owners of the car within 90 days of the infraction. In some cases, they can be more expensive than the ticket itself. Florentines living in the outskirts can't drive inside central Florence, writing that it's aimed only to tourists is just a way to spread the word about a scam. Click here for the Italian-English Wine Glossary. If you go back to Italy within 5 years, there is the possibility they might ask you to pay, but there isnt a national database of pending fine judgement in Italy, so you would need to be pulled over in the same jurisdiction where you got the fine and they happen to have your name on file and they check the file. It doesn't leave a good impression to say the least! That was the fee for telling authorities your name and address. That is an unlikely circumstance even for Italian residents. Why is this so difficult to understand ???? To avoid the fine, this must inform the infractors data to authorities within60 days. We havent been charged by the rental agency and crossing our fingers that wont happen, and that this is the only ticket. However, each one of them has its advantages and disadvantages. Sometimes municipalities may even try to collect the debt by themselves. What if it has taken almost 5 years before they send the ticket. I suspect they assume you have informed yourself about what you are undertaking to do, and do not want to insult you by telling you 'do not speed' and 'obey the signs'. If you have just received them, the next week-end will be well within the 55 days you have to either pay (with no 30% discount) or appeal. The Judge will decide whether you are guilty or not.if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'italianviaggio_com-narrow-sky-2','ezslot_14',691,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-italianviaggio_com-narrow-sky-2-0'); It may seem like a good idea to pay before contesting. Nearly 50% of ZTL fines in Florence are issued to foreign visitors, almost 40% are issued to Italian visitors (not residing in Florence). This makes me think that they have some way of getting out of traffic citations. Honestly, I dont have a driving experience in Italy or in Europe countries but rules are very strict there as compare to Asian countries. Better not to drive in unfamiliar urban territory. You can access any restricted area as long as it is authorized for public transportation. Authorities may wait for your return to Italy if legal proceedings dont take place. According toArt. Sometimes staff members forget to do it. Except for the severe heat that early June 2015 we had a beautiful week in Tuscany and then a beautiful week in Slovenia but that Saturday I am literally still paying for! It seems these are ZTL fines, not speed traps. The inheritance transfer process is pretty cheap and seamless in Italy. Usually, you only have to enter the ticket code, license plate number, and infraction date. If they make a mistake, you can refer to it to get your ticket canceled. Section 2901.13. Unlike the Prefect, you can request the presence of witnesses with the Giudice di Pace. When we checked in, I was told that I would have to registered as main driver because I booked it; otherwise we could not use the reservation. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Now this. Try the rental car company for help, but don't hold your breath, and get receipts and take notes for EVERYTHING. If you dont pay an Italian traffic fine within 60 days, it will become an enforcement order. Im not trying to intimidate you, but these are the facts. If you receive a notice after four years of the violation, the ticket will be valid for another five years. The police are not required to leave aticketon the windshield of your car. Continue with Recommended Cookies. My visit to Milan consisted of driving on well posted city streets, parking at the Holiday Inn parking garage and continuing from there on the main highway to Malpensa where I returned the car. For example, the license plate number doesnt correspond to the car youve used. Speed limits are generally well positioned and visible. We are compensated for referring traffic and business to Amazon and other companies linked to on this site. And today, enforcement of speed limits comes via electronic cameras (like the one in the photo below). At airport renter asked car rental company that there seemed to be possible infraction and where could fine be paid. This topic has been automatically closed due to a period of inactivity. One of the challenges of driving in some Italian cities, like Florence, is that they have ZTLs in which unauthorized cars, inlcuding tourist rental cars, must not drive; and, if they do, they will usually be detected by a computerized photo enforcement system. One of them I was able to pay via credit card but the other one only accepted a money order, which cost me an additional $45 to send. I am sorry about the tickets! Province of Grosseto didn't send the latter fine till February 2016 which I paid immediately by wire transfer the next day. So I have a question for some of the responders on this post. If its sent certified mail, the US post office at least has a record of when it was delivered. Many of the others in the class wasted our time telling us and the instructor that they really didn't deserve to get a ticket. Same as before, I smirked, and tossed in in the trash. Basically, they are reserved roads for public transportation. Even though their bank took fees that they paid, the school's bank also took fees, that I had to then pay when I started my courses. 7 CdS, a ZTL fine can range from84to335. Problem is, the login in page will not let me get past the Captcha Validation page to make a payment. I don't even remember being in that area. Your request must be written in Italian and on plain paper. https://lnkd.in/gcU-VUyr You can only wait until it arrives at your home. but after that I didn't receive any fine/paper from Italy police. Fines are paid on the spot. I considered it the cost of learning a lesson and went on. The government created them to reduce pollution in the city centers. You can choose from these two options if you received the notice: Bus lanes are called corsie preferenziali in Italy. My question is will we be able to rent our car as planned or will there be a problem getting it? So, I thought it was all part of the overall discussion. I believe the long-standing policy of this Travel Forum, as desired by the Rick Steves Europe organization, is to avoid advising that local laws be flouted, for example by non-payment of traffic fines. The most common ticket is for speeding. There may be an extra2,5%commission fee on the total amount for online payments.if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'italianviaggio_com-leader-3','ezslot_9',685,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-italianviaggio_com-leader-3-0'); If you choose to pay with any online service, you need to count the terms differently. However, the police draw up the fine after50 daysfrom the date of transit. Europcar advised me to use the web link http://info.myfines.it to pay the fine and indicated on the ticket. The Prefect has210 daysto respond if you send the letter directly to his address. We got a parking violation (ticket on the window) in Alberobello on a Sunday. bankruptcy fraud if you decide not to pay it. Formal defects are related to the procedure the fine was issued. You will still owe the debt, but the ticket will no longer be enforceable. 373 CdS). I received a violation in October, 2008 (nearly 4 years ago) and I am now being hounded by a US-based collections agency for payment. I had to go to traffic school for speeding once-and it was my first ticket in many years. As for Italian residents, the time limit is 30 days. Here's a little different take on a similar situation. For the same reason they do not tell US tourists about one way signs. You will only have to pay the regular price of one fine.if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'italianviaggio_com-leader-1','ezslot_30',672,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-italianviaggio_com-leader-1-0'); Usually, you can enter a restricted zone if your hotel is located near it. They must be precise and not just refer to traffic rules generically. The hotelier will have to communicate to the police your license plate number in advance. Ergo it is your problem. I finally received another notice on about 5/7/2019. Rest assured that any company will be happy to bill him any given month, provided he is willing to pay 12 tax stamps instead of 6. LOL. That should be a hit on your credit card with which you rented the car. It is quite useless to complain about road traffic rules. I have found driving in Italy to be frustrating as well. However, each payment reminder renews the limitation period. Just realize that lodging an appeal is a very tedious process. When driving in Italy, I notice that many drivers seems to ignore the speeding enforcement cameras. Non residents dont vote. So all Italians fined on the same day at the same place in Modena appealed and won? ' No?' Traffic fines are just a regressive tax measure everywhere, that in some highly visited Italian cities hit tourists more than residents, mostly because tourists are more likely to get lost, but Italians get hit a lot too, especially by the ubiquitous Autovelox machines (speed cameras). However, Pisa doesn't need to know that you were notified. zole, you can locally pay a fine from Bologna in tobacconists and post offices; on-line on the City official site and via a bank transfer from your Bank site. We stayed at an upscale hotel in the historic area of one city and they were very aware of us driving a rental car, as they parked the car, but never mentioned the zones all around us. In reference to the last comment, debts arising from traffic fines are no longer reportable to US based credit bureaus (Equifax, Experian, Transunion) even if incurred in the USA (let alone those incurred in third world countries where scamming is rampant). I have a question for some of responders too. To be specific, the time limit runs the day following the infraction. Petitioner requests an investigation. Remember to bring cash with you. If it's true, you can easily file an appeal by registered mail an win. With some fines, it is better to appeal to the Prefect and others to the Judge. In the same way as notifications, the time limit starts the day after you receive the ticket. In the unlikely event that happened, you could always claim you never received it, however they might still try to collect it then. There are many risks involved when disputing a fine. Most traffic offenses in Texas are classified as Class C misdemeanors, considered a minor type of criminal offense. Dale, 2 days later, I logged in to the credit card and saw a $1,700 charge from Avis. Some people give up to the pressure and the empty threats, others dont. It is not enough to indicate only the failure to notify the original fine in your appeal. Lessons: (a) rental car companies are not customer-service oriented and looking to make a buck, and (b) Italian administration leaves a little to be desired. When I check post/mails in my post box recently(August 2019), I noticed on January 2019 I received a paper from some Florence fine collection law firm? If you know that you are right, dont let anyone scare you and go for it. But you need to wait for the original one in order to pay or appeal.if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'italianviaggio_com-square-4','ezslot_36',687,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-italianviaggio_com-square-4-0'); If you find a problem with your ticket, you can make an appeal to get it canceled. According to petitioner, traffic violations committed by Italians already reach the statute of limitations after 90 days, while the statute of limitations for foreigners is 360 days. You have to write almost the same information in the letter as the Prefect. Since then we have received 3 additional "tickets" with the accompanying $181 charged for handling from Europcar. You can't really Expect a small town to waste money with credit card fees to get paid when there is a free alternative that the 99% of their "customers" can use at no cost . In case you are in Italy, you have to fill out abollettino postale. About 4 weeks ago, I received a traffic ticket for passing thru restricted area from Florence police in mail. You have30 daysfrom the decision to pay or go to court. Your choice. I'll update this once I find out what my options are and if this is likely to go away. You need to memorize the "do not drive beyond this point" international sign: https://cdn-01.media-brady.com/store/stit/media/catalog/product/cache/8/image/85e4522595efc69f496374d01ef2bf13/1533602043/d/m/dmeu_tc40_03_1_std.lang.all.gif, It's used also for camera controlled bus lanes and other places where you are not supposed to drive a car without a permit. The Georgia Supreme Court reversed the Court of Appeals in February 2020 and held that even though the tolling features of OCGA Sec. Perhaps the ZTL is not directed toward tourist, but we take the blunt of the tickets & fines! Someday this will probably rise from the dead and start again. You will find it under the barcode at the top of your ticket. When you signed the contract, you agreed with its conditions. Frankly it would be more logical to expect big US banks that make billions to enter the 21 st century. Once the ticket (complaint) is filed, the statute of limitations becomes irrelevant. Is there a statute of limitations for a traffic ticket? Also, the municipality is not responsible for any postal delays. Currently, he's returned to Italy, with the attitude that some things are great in Italy, and some things remain chaotic. I would give serious consideration to a third party to pay a ticket in the future. However, never assume that your hotel transferred your details to local authorities. You both did the crime, so split the fine. The one we left Talamone so early in the morning for to stay on schedule to be in Venice that afternoon. It varies by county, but typically when a citation is not paid within 4-6 months then the clerk's office uses the services of a collection agency to try to get that money. 7 CdS, you can get a fine from80to323. I didn't pay it since I couldn't do it without jumping through hoops. However, I have to believe that anyone that can afford a trip to Europe can probably find a way to pay their traffic tickets. I disputed the charge with both my credit card and with Avis. I find ridiculous an adult checking his/her po box once every 6 months, to the point that I assume this adult could have Haaaaaaaaaapily ignored many more letters. The time limit starts from the date you retire it. The request must be made to the competent Justice of Peace. Thanks. I understand it was my fault that I drives into wrong zone and I had pay for the fine, but definitely the worst experience to holiday oversea, beautiful country but the italian really not friendly and welcome to tourist, would definitely not going back anymore. How Many Days Do You Have to Pay Italian Fines? That one was in error and our hotel paid it (but not the Europcar fee). My step-son is stationed in Italy with the military, living off-base. Most guide books and online forums warn travelers about ZTLs and other traffic quirks specific to Italy. Regarding the practices of cities enforcing these ZTL laws or car rentals charging exorbitant fees for communicating your name to authorities, Italian traffic laws and the rental agreement you sign allow them to do so. When a police officer issues a ticket during a stop, the period of limitations begins. Even as recently as 3 weeks ago. Nothing! Not all Italian cities bother with sending fines to foreign residents, and even fewer bother to engage international collection agencies. From thedate of ascertainment, authorities must notify the fine within90 days. No further actions will be taken if you make the payment within15 days. But I have a feeling we went in a ZTL zone at one point. The amount can vary from the min to the max of the fine, depending on the violation. Avis claimed I caused the damaged. Statute of Limitations on Texas Traffic Tickets. |. Paul from Frozen Iowa From the 6th to the 60th day you can either appeal or pay the full fine. The time limit runs from the notification date and doesnt suspend the days to appeal. Can anyone provide the website that shows the actual Italian laws for amount of time to notify you and pay etc.? I think we will stick to the trains! 200CdS, all violations must be contested immediately. How much the City actually collects from foreigners is a totally different story. There is no need to have a lawyer. Maybe you drove in Florence before they installed the bilingual traffic lights to mark the ZTL limits, so I can somehow understand those fines. If you couldn't see those signs I'm quite grateful you won't drive in Italy again. Five days from the moment you sign the first registered letter from the cops or open their first e-mail. We will be in Italy for a month and I dont want to accidentally wander into these zones on the daily and end up bankrupt. This one stings a little bit more. You can pay with Visa, MasterCard, and Paypal. Another option is to just pay for paid parking. If you lose both appeals, the Judge can redetermine the Prefects decision. But we would do it again. petanokona, more and more cities sell unpaid fines to international collection agencies. You still have a chance to get most of your fines canceled. If you cant see any of the two, just visit thePoste Italianewebsite. However, it will be notified to your home at your expense. PS Darius may be your favorite monkey character in Planet of The Apes. This is just reeeeeaaaaallllly ridiculous. But with the sentencen. 7066, the Cassation finally clarified them. It says the police officer filed it May 11th 2018 and it was from a photograph. Even if you dont find it, the fine is still valid. We paid with a credit card and got a receipt both from the post office where we paid (host said it was official, not to worry), and the receipt from the credit card. The city of Florence must send you one. In fact, each violation is considered astand-aloneconduct. Arrest warrants never expire until you "do the time or pay the fine." The court can issue a warrant years after you were first ticketed. Make sure to keep the receipt for at least five years.if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[320,50],'italianviaggio_com-leader-4','ezslot_10',686,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-italianviaggio_com-leader-4-0'); The car rental company is never responsible for any traffic fine. According to Italian law, the municipality and the offender have separate terms. Do you live in the United States? https://thecreditbureau.com/2016/07/credit-agencies-stop-reporting-unpaid-tickets/. They have 360 days from the day your credit card was charged to do it. So, authorities have more time to send the fine to tourists. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. If the reasons are not detailed, the fine is unlawful. The short answer is you have been notified. What is the statute of limitations on traffic tickets in commercial vehicle in Arizona? However, the procedure may vary from city to city. You authorized the car rental company to charge your credit card. Of course, trying to dodge a ticket for two years is easier said than done, which is why you don . Wire transfers are free, credit cards not. It takes months for the utility companies to send their bills, then he receives a HUGE bill. Also, you need to attach a valid form of identification. Traffic fines may not reach the recipient due to bureaucratic errors. On a side note- a comment above comparing a ZTL tix to a speeding tix- two entirely different things, and Im sure no one wants to break the law on purpose - ZTLs can be confusing for tourists who may accidently drive thru one. Can I simply ignore the ticket or I need to contract Nivi Credit about this? People really like the idea of all the extra "freedom" rental vehicles provide. It is fairly easy to fall into a ZTL, especially if you are a tourist. I dread the day when we arent able to rent a car abroad, giving up all the freedom cars give us. In addition, they have never provided me with a photo radar image nor was there written notice given at the time of the alleged infraction.
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